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Attract-Mode Support => General => Topic started by: Oomek on December 07, 2018, 05:41:24 AM

Title: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 07, 2018, 05:41:24 AM
This information can help in debugging Attract Mode.
If there is a system that you would like to add ie. a speciffic macOS/OSX version please leave a note.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: keilmillerjr on December 07, 2018, 06:02:00 AM
I am using a total of three systems now. My target platforms are different than my development platform. Can we check off more than one?

Dev: Mac 10.13.6
Mach: Win 10 1607 enterprise
Proj: Raspbian lite 10/09/2018
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 07, 2018, 06:07:04 AM
I was thinking about the target platform as a singular answer. Anyway, I believe there was an option to allow more than 1 vote, but now it's gone when I edit the poll. I would need to recreate it.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: iOtero on December 07, 2018, 07:28:20 AM
I usually use AM in Windows 10, especially to develop themes and scripts, but in my macbook and mi macmini, i use macOS, in my raspi, Raspbian, and in my laptop i use Lubuntu, and in all i have AM installed, but the voting only allows to choose one option...   Oomek, change this, please...  :P
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 07, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
Mahuti has changed the voting to multiselection. You can remove your vote and then select more than one system.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: nevincho on December 07, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
Win XP, Win 7, Linux ( ArchLinux Groovy Arcade )
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: iOtero on December 07, 2018, 02:54:39 PM
Windows 10 LTSB
Windows XP
Raspbian
Lubuntu
Mac OS X Mountain Lion
and MacOS Mojave
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Favdeacon on December 07, 2018, 11:35:15 PM
Raspbian is a Linux variant, so listing it next to "Linux" may be a bit confusing. Maybe "Raspbian Linux" and "other Linux" would've been better. Or "Linux for ARM (e.g. Raspbian)" and "Linux for x86/x64", since the cpu architecture may be more important for debugging purposes than the Linux variant.

Anyway, I'm using AM on Linux, specifically Kubuntu 14.04 + 18.04 and Raspbian-based Retropie 4.4.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 08, 2018, 03:29:54 AM
Yes I'm aware that Raspbian is a Linux distro. Separation was deliberate, because AM on RPI is compiled with OpenGL-ES version of SFML. I've followed your suggestion.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Favdeacon on December 08, 2018, 03:57:07 AM
Thanks very much for the explanation and the editing, Oomek.  :)
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: iOtero on December 08, 2018, 04:40:01 AM
Luckily, there is no one who uses Vista... :D
What i do not understand is why someone is still using Windows 8...  :o
 
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 08, 2018, 04:56:31 AM
My exact thoughts :)
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: zpaolo11x on December 09, 2018, 01:32:26 AM
Interesting to see that Unix based systems are on par with Windows based systems, but still only 15 people voted for the poll so it's probably a very skewed statistic...
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: keilmillerjr on December 09, 2018, 01:42:29 AM
Interesting to see that Unix based systems are on par with Windows based systems, but still only 15 people voted for the poll so it's probably a very skewed statistic...

Your on a forum where there is a good amount of people interested in some form of developing. I would expect a somewhat even split with windows and unix based systems. Ask this poll on any arcade related facebook group, and I bet you will get either windows or „raspberry pi“ because most people do not know even know what operating system they have running on their raspberry pi.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: progets on December 09, 2018, 02:01:48 AM
Luckily, there is no one who uses Vista... :D
What i do not understand is why someone is still using Windows 8...  :o

My exact thoughts :)

Didn't you guys just skew the results? Who is going to vote for Vista or Windows 8 now?

IMO - You should have limited the vote to one (primary) OS (like you started with). I, and many others, have AM on several OSes but I (and most likely others) always play games on one OS.

P.S. There is a long standing Microsoft tradition that every other OS release sucks. Look it up, it's a "thing".
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 09, 2018, 02:04:42 AM
Not neccesarily. We have a database of 4529 forum users and I don't believe all of them have registered here to seek guidance in developing themes. Even though I'm not a fan of sending spam emails from administrators maybe in this case it would be beneficial to do so. That would give us a pretty good statistical sample.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 09, 2018, 02:07:59 AM
Didn't you guys just skew the results? Who is going to vote for Vista or Windows 8 now?

IMO - You should have limited the vote to one (primary) OS (like you started with). I, and many others, have AM on several OSes but I (and most likely others) always play games on one OS.

This poll is machine, not user oriented, so no, I don't believe the results are skewed in any way.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: iOtero on December 09, 2018, 02:37:49 AM

This poll is machine, not user oriented, so no, I don't believe the results are skewed in any way.

My exact thoughts :)
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Favdeacon on December 09, 2018, 02:53:09 AM
IMO - You should have limited the vote to one (primary) OS (like you started with). I, and many others, have AM on several OSes but I (and most likely others) always play games on one OS.

I respectfully beg to differ, since I play retro games on both my PC with Kubuntu and my Raspberry Pi with Retropie roughly to the same extent. The Pi is the heart of my DIY arcade cabinet, and the PC is for games that are not suited for either the Pi or the cabinet. And I often enough hear from people with similar setups to find a multi-vote better than forcing us to choose a main system we don't actually have.

Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: keilmillerjr on December 09, 2018, 06:03:54 AM
Not neccesarily. We have a database of 4529 forum users and I don't believe all of them have registered here to seek guidance in developing themes. Even though I'm not a fan of sending spam emails from administrators maybe in this case it would be beneficial to do so. That would give us a pretty good statistical sample.

Theres about 50 people with 50 posts or more, but over 4500 users. I recognize almost all the top 50 people and most have contributed in some way. An estimated 3100 users have zero posts. Either spam, or came to download a theme. Which is a good thing! But like I said, I guarantee this poll would end up either windows or "wtf is unix"?

http://forum.attractmode.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;desc;start=30

Regardless, I love that this front end is multiplatform. I can program on my mac, and use windows in the arcade because of crt emu drivers and lack of support for groovy arcade. I honestly cant tell you when the last time I used my arcade machine was. I enjoy the tinkering. rPi has been an interesting project. Not a fan of how bloated existing images are. I created my own setup just for mame. It would be an easy and cheap solution for some one making a home made cabinet with a crt tv and jpac!
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: zpaolo11x on December 09, 2018, 07:56:56 AM

Ask this poll on any arcade related facebook group, and I bet you will get either windows or „raspberry pi“ because most people do not know even know what operating system they have running on their raspberry pi.

You are right, in the past emulation was mostly a Windows thing, now I see a lot of people using RPi, which is really great. I also love the fact that AM is multiplatform, I used to run Mame on Parallels before but it's much better to have some native software. Although I'm really scared what would happen of all the carefully crafted GLSL shaders if (when?) Apple decides to ditch OpenGL altogether :(
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Favdeacon on December 09, 2018, 09:55:46 AM
Regardless, I love that this front end is multiplatform.

I second that wholeheartedly. In a multiplatform community, it (mostly) doesn't matter which system you happen to use. Instead, we all can just enjoy our common interest and benefit from everyone's contribution.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Oomek on December 09, 2018, 10:27:04 AM
I think you all deserve an explanation of what is the purpose of this poll. My moderate OCD dictates me to make Attract Mode stutter free, able to sustain a constant 60fps even on Raspberry Pi. I have a proof of concept of asynchronous image loader with caching, so you will not longer need rawset_index_offset property. That means non blocking loading of resources that aren't yet on the screen, so in theory even if you write for example just an array of 100 add_image or add_artwork and cycle through games AM should keep 60fps. But first thing to fix is any other source of stuttering not loading related. The differences between Windows 10 and lower versions for example force different approaches of syncing, as the new DWM gets in the way. Vsync and double/triple buffering in SFML works differently on each window mode and differently in multimonitor mode, and even when you have your dpi scaling other than 100%. I have it almost fixed for Windows, but tests wil be required on all platforms to make sure I sync accordingly for each platform. I already got myself a mac and waiting for RPI to arrive. So my personal  purpose of the poll is to let me know which platforms are commonly used so I prioritize this fairly.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Favdeacon on December 09, 2018, 10:51:34 AM
Thanks for the explanation and my best wishes for success in your endeavor.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: rand0m on December 09, 2018, 12:43:16 PM
Luckily, there is no one who uses Vista... :D
What i do not understand is why someone is still using Windows 8...  :o

That would be me, long story but right when I was about to upgrade to Win 10 there was a huge outcry about it being invasive and privacy nightmare, so I didn't upgrade. A few weeks back when I was again seriously considering to upgrade some issue with updates breaking Win 10 came into news ( I follow gHacks for that). Win 8.1 is working pretty well though, once I got rid of Metro :D 
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: MikeFromPA on January 21, 2019, 05:18:26 AM
Luckily, there is no one who uses Vista... :D
What i do not understand is why someone is still using Windows 8...  :o

That would be me, long story but right when I was about to upgrade to Win 10 there was a huge outcry about it being invasive and privacy nightmare, so I didn't upgrade. A few weeks back when I was again seriously considering to upgrade some issue with updates breaking Win 10 came into news ( I follow gHacks for that). Win 8.1 is working pretty well though, once I got rid of Metro :D


You know, this really shouldn't concern you if you're making a dedicated rig.  I bought a used i3 Dell from a 2nd hand store for $19 that had its nic die.  Thought to myself, why would a pure gaming computer need network access?  Microsoft ( or anyone else ) can only exploit your machine if it's connected to the Internet.

I think you all deserve an explanation of what is the purpose of this poll. My moderate OCD dictates me to make Attract Mode stutter free, able to sustain a constant 60fps even on Raspberry Pi. I have a proof of concept of asynchronous image loader with caching, so you will not longer need rawset_index_offset property. That means non blocking loading of resources that aren't yet on the screen, so in theory even if you write for example just an array of 100 add_image or add_artwork and cycle through games AM should keep 60fps. But first thing to fix is any other source of stuttering not loading related. The differences between Windows 10 and lower versions for example force different approaches of syncing, as the new DWM gets in the way. Vsync and double/triple buffering in SFML works differently on each window mode and differently in multimonitor mode, and even when you have your dpi scaling other than 100%. I have it almost fixed for Windows, but tests wil be required on all platforms to make sure I sync accordingly for each platform. I already got myself a mac and waiting for RPI to arrive. So my personal  purpose of the poll is to let me know which platforms are commonly used so I prioritize this fairly.

To answer the poll, I've used primarly Windows XP in the past, now use Windows 7.  I do buy my 'newer' tech used, and the Dells and Gateways of the world are still super suited to play 20+ year old emulated games.  I keep with Windows 7 because I've bought the Windows 7 OEM discs on ebay for Dell and Gateway, so every system I have has a legit Windows on it for free.

With that said, I've been looking into Linux distros for a few thin clients I've come into.  Have been playing around with Tinycore as an OS to put a front end on.  Was using PuppyArcade for a while but I don't think that has been updated for years.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: pecosdave on January 26, 2019, 09:42:52 AM
I've built it from source three different times over the past couple of years, always some flavor of Ubuntu or derivative.  Lubuntu twice, KDE Plasma last time. Usually I focus on it as an arcade of an experience as possible, using a barbones window manager like TinyWM so there's nothing in the way.  Unfortunately I can't use Attract Mode as the window manager due to complexity with the graphical environment.   I went with Plasma this time because I may still want to use this particular system as a desktop.

I gave up on Windows when Win 2000 was still new and Mac OS is annoying with how much it tried to help me   My previous two builds were on ancient Athlon dual core systems with separate ancient Nvidia cards (turns out integrated Nvidia chips don't work well with Linux). My last build was on an old Core 2 Duo 24" iMac (KDE Plasma) with a built in Radeon.  The newest one I plan to focus on ScummVM instead of MAME but I have Mednfen doing at least three consoles as well. I'm just waiting for the new scraper, the thing is sitting there mostly built. The previous two were for arcade cabinets, the newest one is for my nearly 4 year old and his Living Books and Humongous Entertainment games I got from the Humble Bundle.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: RetroMacGamer on February 09, 2019, 07:24:28 AM
I am the lead macOS dev at HyperPie Expanded where we provide a base image (no Roms) using Attract Mode.

Since I started the HyperPie macOS version 18 months ago, we have had a ton of users join the group for macOS.

Some of the Tutorial Install Videos have had several thousand views :)

The macOS retro gaming community is growing rapidly with Attract Mode being the only True Front End available.

Many thanks for all the hard work and great to see the macOS releases side by side with Windows :)

Happy to help with anything I can, sing out.

Cheers

Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: keilmillerjr on February 18, 2019, 03:55:48 PM
RetroFE can be compiled on Mac. Haven’t visited it in long time... because I like attractmode.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: iOtero on February 19, 2019, 02:19:46 AM
RetroFE can be compiled on Mac. Haven’t visited it in long time... because I like attractmode.

Is that RetroFE can be "cloned" in Attract-Mode without problems...  ::)
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: keilmillerjr on February 19, 2019, 03:36:57 AM
RetroFE can be compiled on Mac. Haven’t visited it in long time... because I like attractmode.

Is that RetroFE can be "cloned" in Attract-Mode without problems...  ::)

No. RetroFE can be compiled on windows, Linux and Mac. Just like attractmode. It’s not the only option for Mac like retromacgamer says. I do prefer attractmode, obviously because I’m here. But there is options and I don’t think that is ever a bad thing.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: iOtero on February 19, 2019, 02:56:11 PM
RetroFE can be compiled on Mac. Haven’t visited it in long time... because I like attractmode.

Is that RetroFE can be "cloned" in Attract-Mode without problems...  ::)

No. RetroFE can be compiled on windows, Linux and Mac. Just like attractmode. It’s not the only option for Mac like retromacgamer says. I do prefer attractmode, obviously because I’m here. But there is options and I don’t think that is ever a bad thing.

When I speak of "clone", I mean that the aspect, the shape, the appearance, of RetroFE, can be done with Attract-Mode.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: stevereaver on February 22, 2019, 08:46:54 PM
Linux for the win!
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: Ford_Prefect on May 06, 2019, 11:02:24 PM
I am doing a test install on Linux Mint 19.1 Mate.
The "new" mainboard is a MSI H81 mini itx with a I3-4150 and 4 Gb mem. A 60 Gb ssd + a 500 Gb hdd.
The main os is on the ssd, with the Home directory mounted on the hdd.
The graphics card is a Nvidia GTS 450.
My old setup is a Core 2 duo E8400 @3.6 Ghz, 4 Gb ram on a full atx Asus motherboard, and a Geforce 9500 Gt.
Especially the Geforce 9500 is showing it's age, still good for the older systems; (mame, Daphne etc), but coming up short on the newer emulators.
The old setup is also running Linux with the Wahcade frontend, which is no longer maintained. I can't get it to run properly anymore.
Attract Mode seems to be the best frontend for Linux, altough i had some problems installing it from the Ubuntu .deb package.
It replaced some files of my os, after that i couldn't install PCSX2 because of unresolvable dependency issues.
So i compiled it from source.
My cab is set up with a 19" (5x4) monitor.
I am currently in the process of converting my old Wahcade layouts to Attract Mode using Attract mode builder.
I prefer using Linux on my cab, because it does exactly wat i want it to do and it doesn't look over your shoulder.
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: takoni on August 07, 2019, 04:00:15 AM
Hi! for me.....Raspberry forever.

https://youtu.be/6UHoO6Lha08

and https://youtu.be/-BTjUmI8SLg
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: asahendrix on August 08, 2019, 01:26:36 PM
Hi! for me.....Raspberry forever.

https://youtu.be/6UHoO6Lha08

and https://youtu.be/-BTjUmI8SLg

This. Looks. Amazing!! You should seriously start a kickstarter campaign and get some sort of patent and sell these things! I'd spend $1,000 for one if I had the money!
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: keilmillerjr on August 09, 2019, 01:17:34 AM
Hi! for me.....Raspberry forever.

https://youtu.be/6UHoO6Lha08

and https://youtu.be/-BTjUmI8SLg

That looks awesome! The part i like best is the magnetic side art! What did you use?
Title: Re: POLL: What system are you running Attract Mode on?
Post by: takoni on September 28, 2019, 04:41:29 PM
I used vinyl art printed in pixarprint online, then I paste it over soft plastic film and then I used magnetics 1cm*1cm with 3M paste film behind.

Then, in every side of the arcade machine there are a lot of magnetis under the 3mm of wood cover pinged in white.

Sorry for my English , cheers