Thanks for the info, I would never have figured that out on my own. Apparently though I have some weird roms because I still have some that are not showing correctly. For example, I have a game called Ironclad with a rom name of ironclad that sits between chopper and circus charlie. Some others are doing the same. I tried sorting by name and that put Ironclad in the right order, but then screwed up others such as Space Invaders, which has rom name of invader was now in the I section. Not sure what to do here.